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You Tell Me..............

Coming up on the July 4th holiday and besides being a traditional time to get out on the lake, drink beers and cook up something on the grill, it also happens to mean this; lest we forget:

Independence Day, commonly known as the Fourth of July or July Fourth, is a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, declaring independence from Great Britain.

(UNRELEASED) Air Force Mortuary Affairs Operations Public Affairs personnel in action June 30, 2012 at Dover Air Force Base, Del. (U.S. Air Force photo/Roland Balik)

(UNRELEASED) Air Force Mortuary Affairs Operations Public Affairs personnel in action June 30, 2012 at Dover Air Force Base, Del. (U.S. Air Force photo/Roland Balik)

No secret to most of y’all that I have strong leanings on certain holidays and I have written about it before.  My BFF Cait crept too close to the flame and the nightmares wake her still yet.  It is worth a re-read;  3 years is a stretch of time but still very much in my thoughts daily.

Some of what follows will be bothersome to a few readers; it always is.  But seein’ as how this is (still-for now) the United States of America, I can still share what is on my mind freely with little thought to negative consequence.

You tell me………..  are these quotes and verses from centuries long in the dust still meaningful and relevant? Do they still hold water?  Or are the talking heads right? They are relics of a time gone by which do not apply to our present day.

You tell me……

 

 

    • “Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow growth, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation.”  — George Washington

 

    • “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.”   — Thomas Jefferson

 

    • “I think my self that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. “  — Thomas Jefferson at age 81

 

    • “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”  — Thomas Jefferson

 

    • “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”   — Thomas Jefferson

 

    • In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has.” –Proverbs 21:20

 

    • “Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.” — Thomas Jefferson

 

    • “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion about the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin

 

    • “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”  — II Thessalonians 3:20

 

    • The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.”  — Proverbs 22:3

 

    • “To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” — George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights

 

    • “Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense?” — Patrick Henry

 

    • “By removing the Bible from schools we would be wasting so much time and money in punishing criminals and so little pains to prevent crime. Take the Bible out of our schools and there would be an explosion in crime.” — Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence

 

    • “But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.  Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.”  — John Adams

 

      • “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them.”  — George Washington

 

      • “If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.”  — James Madison

 

      • “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” Thomas Jefferson

 

 

I couldn’t tell you what the Bank Holiday this week  in Greece means; nor explain the unconstitutional machinations of recent Supreme Court decisions or understand how Congress can pass a trade bill whose details are held secret from the American  People.  I am not smart like that.  I can tell you I hear the bad dogs that bark through the night and wake unsettled.

“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” Samuel Adams


**I would encourage you to leave comments and/or your favorite quotes in the comment section.**


End Note:   yeah, this

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20 comments to You Tell Me…………..

  • John

    Jesus, Budda & Krisna & Minni Pearl knew.…to do unto others the things you want done to you.” – Rodney Crowell

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  • Nancy from South Georgia

    Hi Andy,

    You are so right in your observations as to what is not so good in our country’s current state of affairs. I, too, have friends, relatives, and acquaintances who would prefer to “not know” what is going on around us. They don’t want the truth to spoil the vacation that is their lives. The emerging picture is just too terrifying to seriously entertain for most people who just cannot deal with reality.

    Having had to grow up relatively fast and not having had much of a childhood, I guess I have become a realist and I just want to know “WHY about most things. And I want to know so that I can apply logic to my current situation and attempt self-preservation to the best of my ability. I don’t expect my government to feed, clothe, medicate, or shelter me. Never have I felt that anyone or anything else but myself was responsible for me but me. And I feel that it is the ultimate abdication of responsibility to refuse to seek the truth.

    So glad to know that there are people like you out there, kindred spirits. Thank you for this thought provoking post and please keep in touch. You know how to reach me (for as long as we are all allowed freedom of communication, that is).

    Nancy

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  • Joel

    The last quote isn’t Jefferson. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

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    • Andy

      Good catch Joel. I tried to verify all the quotes. This one slipped through.

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      • Joel

        All the other founding father quotes seem to check out (at least have not been flagged). I didn’t check the Bible quotes. Heh.

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        • Nancy from South Georgia

          You’re right on all these things, Joel, and you said what I failed to say. I love this country very much, and that’s what drives me to want to see it continue on as it is, or was, in many ways. I do know that, come what may, I would rather live here than anywhere else on earth.

          You listed some of the things that made this country such a great and unique place. And many of the people who invented and created these things were the sons and daughters of immigrants. My greatest concern is that so many of the current immigrants do not come over here with the love of and respect for America that former generations of immigrants did. They don’t arrive with love in their hearts and they don’t enter the country legally. And once they arrive they begin to make demands and refuse to assimilate.

          My grandparents came over from Sweden with $50 to their names and settled in Minnesota, sponsored by a local Lutheran Church. The men worked as farmhands and the women took in washing and sold baked goods at a roadside stand on their host farm. They had a really hard time, but they did it, and all six of their children struggled as well, but they managed. As the second generation my dad and two of his siblings were able to finally buy, rather than lease, their own land and raise crops and some cows. My generation was the first to go to college, which was the symbol of having reached the absolute pinnacle of citizenship and freedom. (Nowadays I’m not so sure about that!). But all of us, each generation in my family, had something in common that has not left us through the years. We all thought we had been given the ultimate gift of living in such a place and to be free to make our own way.

          God Bless America. And Happy 4th of July to everyone.

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          • Joel

            Hey Nancy,

            My maternal grandparents came here from Austro-Hungary. My mom’s dad died when she was a teenager. My mom’s mom, a mother of 3, had an 8th grade education. She supported her family as a domestic. All three of her kids finished college, and two got their Ph.D.s

            My paternal grandfather was raised in Argentina. He was on the Argentine national chess team. I have his chess pieces.

            We live in a great country, that has become great, in part, by welcoming foreigners. Leo Szilard, Enrico Fermi, Albert Einstein. Read and learn.

            Happy 4 July 2015!

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  • Vince

    Morn’n,

    My favorite quote of those you listed is the one by Mr. Jefferson where he said “I think my self that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. “ I’m thinking that if Mr. Jefferson was to pop into today for a few minutes we would see him throw both hands on top of his head we would hear him say “OH MY GOD!!!”.

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    • Joel

      “I’m thinking that if Mr. Jefferson was to pop into today for a few minutes we would see him throw both hands on top of his head we would hear him say “OH MY GOD!!!”

      I’m sure you’re right. He could no longer own slaves. Women can now vote. Brown people can now vote. People who don’t own property can now vote. That’s not to mention that smallpox has been eradicated from the planet, men have walked on the moon, manned flight, thermonuclear weapons, and the intertubes. Etc, etc, etc.

      I expect if I were resurrected 250 years from now, I’d throw both hands on top of my head and folks would hear me say “OH MY GOD!!!.”

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      • Vince

        Throwing my hands on my head OH MY GOD Joel!!! I was just referring to government machinery and parasites sucking the system dry.

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        • Joel

          I know. But out here in the real world, things look very different.

          Out here in reality, the government put a man on the moon, built the interstate highway system, eradicated polio in the US, invented the internet, created both the atomic bomb and the H-bomb, and created and maintained the world’s reserve currency. Pardon me for being patriotic this close to 4 July 2015. It’s just how I was raised. YMMV.

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        • Joel

          ” . . . and parasites sucking the system dry.”

          I can’t think of anything more parasitic than owning slaves (like Jefferson and Washington). Can you?

          I can’t think of anything more tyrannical than owning slaves. The founding fathers institutionalized slavery.

          Our nation was founded on ‘parasitism’ and ‘tyranny,’ if that’s your meme. As a patriotic American and a taxpayer, I’m glad the US has moved on from parasitism and tyranny.

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          • Andy

            Joel
            The Founding Fathers did not address slavery head on and they know they were lacking in that regard. It would take another 80 years and the bloodiest war we have ever known to resolve it to some degree. FWIW, I had two Scots-Irish ancestors arrive here to serve terms of indenture.

            What our Founding Fathers did realize was that Federal powers should be expressly limited and the 3 branches of Federal Government would balance the power if administered correctly. The real power rested with the States and State’s rights.

            Things got all muddled up somewhere along the way and so did we.

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  • Joel

    “Things got all muddled up somewhere along the way and so did we.”

    Indeed we did. But as MLK said: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” I never thought I’d live to see the day that a black man would be president, let alone be elected by a minor landslide.

    I’m grateful to have lived long enough to see how things have turned out so far. The Soviet Union disappeared without a nuclear war. Communism is discredited. Gay marriage is legal. Millions of my fellow citizens now have health insurance.

    Happy 4 July 2015!

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    • Vince

      Joel, I agree with everything you’ve said. We have come a long ways in 200+ years but there are still things present and from long ago
      that need to be fixed. My number one thing that I would like to see GONE FOREVER is the term “race card”. When every person finally
      realizes that there is only ONE race and that is the HUMAN RACE things are going to be better. That and when everyone lives by “help
      your neighbor”. The world is pretty small these days and we humans are all neighbors.

      What is YMMV?

      Have a fun and safe 4th of July.

      To all the veterans and active military and their families “THANK YOU”.

      Vince
      5th Inf. Div.
      Camp Red Devil ’69 ’70

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  • Joel

    “What is YMMV?”

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv&defid=2130627

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  • Stephanie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA0GcXV2njY
    Thought you might enjoy. Not sure if this worked. Joan Osbourne with the Funk Brothers. I like your music, thought you might appreciate this!
    Stephanie

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    • Andy

      Wow, that was good Stephanie. I loved it1 I like me some Joan Osborn too!

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  • Tell your BFF to try writing out the experiences that wake her up. For some reason even the psychologists who recommend it can’t explain it helps to write them down. I had fewer wake-ups after publishing a book of short stories about my VN-related ones. But just writing them out, without even showing them to anyone, is supposed to help.

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